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Assaf, in the case of a trunk system with multiple sites (at least for the XT scanners, the 996 and 15) does the System Quick Key Manager actually become the Site Quick Key Manager, or is there something else here I'm missing?

With all the questions recently about activating/enabling quick keys recently I'm trying to write a little more explanatory text in the user guide.

If this is the case, might it be possible to change the title of the form when FS detects that a user is editing a multi-site system?

73 Mike

It will pick up the site QKs as well. So a conventional system with QK5 and sites with the same QK will be controlled all the same.

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OK colour me officially confused. 

I wasn't talking about putting a conventional system and a multi site system under the same QK - I was simply wondering how FS uses the System Quick Key Manager in the case of a system that has multiple sites.

I thought that the System Quick Key Manager shows all the SQKs allocated in the radio, it would appear that there isn't anything to indicate which sites are allocated in the case of a multi site system. In other words, it appears there isn't anything that functions like a Site Quick Key Manager just for that system. There doesn't appear to  be anything on the Trunked System Setup form.



73 and thanks..Mike

Each site is treated like its own system. So if you had 3 sites and QKs 2,3,4, then those sites would show up under the respective QKs. I hope that clears it up.

It does, and it points out a potential conflict. In your case, if you have sites 2, 3 and 4 assigned to a multi site system, and then you attempt to define another trunked system, if someone tries to assign system quick key 2 (manually, without using the Find Free button) , you will conflict with the prior multi trunked system that was using site 2 - and would show up in the System Quick Key manager not knowing which one it really points to.

In other words, I would think you wouldn't want a site from one trunk, and a system from another trunk to be assigned to the same quick key.  They're 2 completely different entities, and if memory serves, it's not permitted to have the same site in multiple systems. You can have multiple sites per system (at least with the XT scanners, 996 and 15) but not the other way around. 73 Mike

I'm pretty sure you can assign the same quick key to as many sites as you wish. The QK manager knows which ones the QK is pointing to, its pointing to both, so both would be listed.

I'm sure you're right for a single system - but what happens if you try to (manually) define that same quick key for a completely different (one site) trunk system. There's where a potential conflict exists. There's no way to tell the difference 73 Mike

The QK manager will point to whatever becomes active when you push the respective QK. So if you assign "2" to a conventional system, a site in one system, and a site in another system, it will show both the sites and the conventional system as belonging to that QK. Perhaps you can clarify what difference needs to be seeing in between these?

Let's start by saying I'm aware that when working with a trunk system, you assign by site, and by extension, the quick key that's associated with the site. We don't have many multi site systems here in Central Maryland, but I'm reasonably sure that I understand most of the concepts.

If we have 2 multi site trunk systems defined, each with 3 sites, and you use site keys 1, 2, and 3 for both systems, if I'm understanding you correctly, that's all the Manager will show. The boxes for keys 1, 2 and 3 would be checked.

But that's not the whole story. You really have 2 sets of site keys here - one set for system 1, the next set for system 2. Each set of site keys (in this example) are unique to the system to which they're defined. You could, for example, lock out site 2 in system 2, and site 2 for system 1 wouldn't be affected.  

So the Manager isn't currently designed, I think, for showing this relationship. I can easily see more than a little confusion (and a bit of a conflict - you can't tell which system the 3 site keys are defined to) here.

73 Mike

Well, you do know that if you hover above the checkbox for the QK in the manager it will list the associated sites and systems on the right? Perhaps that is where the misunderstanding is. As long as someone doesn't have all their sites named "Site 1", "Site 2" etc they should be able to tell what the sites are for.

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Now THAT'S the kind of detail that has been missing! Definitely something to be added to the user's guide. There's nothing in the white box to say 'Site listing' or something like that, nor is there any explanation about the hovering trick.

Thanks for being so patient with my thick headedness!  73 Mike

Well I am glad to hear thats what the misunderstanding was.